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ih8sharts

One discriminates against what county you were born in, while the other discriminates against what color you were born with However, both discriminate against your birth situation over which you had zero influence.. 

EmeryPearson

You've answered your own question, one is prejudice based on skin color, the other is prejudice based of birth origin. So they are only the same in the sense that they are both prejudicial.

ih8sharts

@EmeryPearson ;
Then, why are people who would be ashamed to be racist, are proud to be nationalists?

EmeryPearson

@ih8sharts

I don't agree with that premise. Racists are often proud to be racists. 

ih8sharts

@EmeryPearson
I was not referring to the far right goons, I am talking about average people who would be horrified to be called racist, but would be totally fine with being called a nationalist. 

CYDdharta

Does one's nation determine his/her race?

ih8sharts

CYDdharta said:

Does one's nation determine his/her race?

Is this a red herring question, or are you trying to make an extremely well hidden point?

MayCaesar

The problem here is that the term "nationalism" has been used in so many contexts in the last couple of millennia, that you absolutely have to specify what you mean by "nationalism". With racism, it is pretty straightforward: if you have something against people based on their race, or if you think your race is superior to other races, then you are racist. But with nationalism, there are many meanings people use. For example:

1. Being prejudiced against people of other nationalities.
2. Loving your country.
3. Thinking immigration should be restricted.
4. Believing that your land deserves independence from the federal authorities.
5. Claiming that all nations should be united under a single banner (yes, internationalism is also nationalism!).

So to answer the question in your first comment, people who proudly call themselves nationalists rarely use the 1st meaning of this world. Usually it is the 2nd or the 3rd, but it could be many other definitions as well.

CYDdharta

ih8sharts said:

Is this a red herring question, or are you trying to make an extremely well hidden point?

No, it's no red herring.  Can you answer the question instead of deflecting? 

ih8sharts

@CYDdharta
Of course not. One's nation does not determine anything. You will find a variety of people in any nation as well as in any race. 
Portraying all people of one race or nation stereo typically is equally idiotic.

CYDdharta

ih8sharts said:

@CYDdharta
Of course not. One's nation does not determine anything. You will find a variety of people in any nation as well as in any race. 
Portraying all people of one race or nation stereo typically is equally idiotic.

As you have noted, there is a difference between nation and race, ergo nationalism is not the same as racism. 

One's nation does determine quite a bit.  Every citizen aids his nation in some fashion.

joecavalry

No, racism and nationalism are completely different. Nationalism believes that people should have pride and be mainly focused on their country, not other countries or all/most the countries as a whole.